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From: u r a loser
E-Mail: Private
Subject: limp dic

how mature we are mr response to 143, you are a impotent, drunk loser, pacesetter brought alot of grief, but to be a dick is a prime example that pacestter employed sad sad individuals, you're sad.

From: happy x-tm
E-Mail: Private
Subject: hahaha

well if it isnt the drunk fag himself.... looks like you need to follow your own words, therapy!! otherwise you would drop old shit that was in the past, but I guess thats what drunks do huh??? grow up fisher, get a life, your drama is old!

From: X-TM Sac Profit Center
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Response to post 143

It would seem the worst nightmare from Sac Pacesetter has surfaced. The originator of POPCORN IS BURNT was the she-devil herself...JERICA!! She takes the term "nightmare" to an all new level. Anyone remember that Fat Cyclopse? Most in her path required years of therapy to forget that bitch!!

From: Cynthia Wallace
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Pacesetter 401K

As a former employee I am hoping you remember who handled the 401K for Pacesetter. My husband has been trying to track his down for a couple of years now.

Thank you.

From: happy X-tm
E-Mail: Private
Subject: gary and barb?? DUH

anyone who was anyone in the sac "profit" center knew they had been fucking for years, you 2 drunks deserve each other....POPCORN IS BURNT!!

From: ExEmployee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Iskra

Gary Iskra...Yes he is the owner of my contractor.com his cell phone number is: 1-724-953-5377

From: Falcon
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Gary Iskra & Mycontractor.com

I am an employee of mycontractor.com, recently a very good friend of mine was fired for no apparent reason... Gary- Iskra is in fact the owner... his cell # is: 1-724-953-5377

From: X Pacesetter Employee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: There is no Warranty

There was never a warranty when they were in buisness.

From: KATHY LANGFORD
E-Mail: Private
Subject: STORM DOORS

I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO REACH PACESETTER FOR OVER A YEAR TO DO MAINTENANCE ON BOTH OF MY STORM DOORS AND I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET ANY RESPONSE.I DID NOT EVEN KNOW THEY WERE OUT OF BUSINESS UNTIL TODAY........WHO DO I CONTACT FOR REPAIRS ON MY DOORS? IS THIER ANY TALK OF A LAWSUIT FOR AGAINST THIS COMPANY?

KATHY lANGFORD

From: Former PE
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Rob "Try going back to school"

I see you are still active on this site. You must be one of those "Oids" from TM. How's your new job at the Carnival, or is that McDonalds? I know - at least you are working. TMers were the scumbags of Pacesetter. Smokers, Druggies, Womanizers, Alchoholics - all of the above. Lied to customers, their co-workers and to the sales staff. Just remember, when you are old and dying, all your bad deeds will be judged! That's if you still have any brain cells left! If you don't have a conscience - it won't matter. But life is but a dash and at the end, you will be haunted by your evil self. That's judgement. You won't be able to go back and change anything at that time. But anyway, you keep criticising those who still find it enteresting to post on this site, of which you still do as well. Just remember that!

From: Ligia M. Gallegos
E-Mail: Private
Subject: window replacements

I'm an unhappy customer as I tried to get a hold of someone in their office and all the phone numbers I have do not work. I don't even know if they exist. We purchase our windows from them in 2003 and they were suppose to sent someone to help me take the storm windows off to clean. I still don't know how to take them off. I had the front living room completely replaced, but the rest of the house they installed storm windows and they were suppose to work the same way as the one on the front and not create mold in between both windows, well that is just no true as I found out and recently my handle on the front screen door broke and I've been trying to get a hold of them and I have not had any luck. If anyone out there knows how to get a hold of them please let me know.

From: oscar
E-Mail: Private
Subject: i work for mycontractor.com

I worked for mycontractor.com, and I assure you Gary Kluck Mike Madden GARY ISKRA all worked/RAN mycontractor.com. We were told as employees these men were in no way associated with pacesetter.wow looks like these men only know how to lie through their teeth.

From: oscar
E-Mail: Private
Subject: i work for mycontractor.com

I worked for mycontractor.com, and I assure you Gary Kluck Mike Madden GARY ISKRA all worked/RAN mycontractor.com. We were told as employees these men were in no way associated with pacesetter.wow looks like these men only know how to lie through their teeth.

From: Burnt By Kluck
E-Mail: Private
Subject: That story...........

Gary Kluck is a scumbag and anyone who comes on here and defends that piece of shit is either a family member, a brown nosing current employee or both.........

From: Carl
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Pacesetter Corporation - I was eployed by them once

I was between a rock and a hard place. I really wanted to get going on a sales career. I'd spent several years as a jeweler, but the influx of Vietnamese into the Seattle area priced my profession below my needed income.

-FAST FORWARD_

I interviewed with the Pacesetter Corporation and they sounded pretty good. THey dressed well wore nice shoes, and seemed to be on the up and up.

But for some reason the Seattle Sales office wasn't moving enough product.

We'd been throguh all the classes about T6061 Aircraft Aluminum sxtrusion, thermally bvroken float glass self cleaning (there was no such thing) how the screendoor handles were made to "Break Off" in the event of a forced entry...

I closed a couple of absurdly overpriced screen doors, and all the exterior doors with my "senior sales associate" - a guy who'd just transfered up from Portland.

Well he was so excited about having sold anything in Seattle that we had to go have a beer in Orting.

This schmuck hooked up with a barfly, and drove off into the night leaving me nicely dressed jacket tie, Florscheim shoes in the cow town of Orting 31 miles from home.

About a month later, "Senior" management came to town to see why sales were not going well.

He reviewed our pitches, told us to strike anything about screen door security, because they weren't true. No T6061 aircraft aluminum, not true.

A week later, Pacesetter pulled out of the Seattle Region with no prior notice to any of the sales reps. We literally showed up to work to find the doors locked.

There's a lot more to say about these low life scum sucking people, but I've got to get back to work.

From: richboi
E-Mail: Private
Subject: question

yea i used to work for the pacesetters office in san antonio tx....they went bankrupt and stiffed us on a few (3 or 4)pay checks, it was so bad that we couldnt cash them at banks, check cashing places or anywhere.....i just want to know if anyone has corporate info so i can get my w2 from them...a phone # would be helpful or an address would be appreciated as well

thanks

From: J
E-Mail: Private
Subject: That story sounds familiar...

After being gone for a little bit now I like to see what intersting things people come up with since my new job hasn't yet started. But recently before I left the company (myco), a black man who was the only one there at the time, approached me and another girl in the call center and told us how he was passed up for promotions. It was very funny considering he was the worst employee there and that he was written up numerous times because he never came to work - and when he did was never on time. Not to mention he never got any real leads only fakes (trust me I called his leads). And the Mr. K. you speak so badly of is the only reason 'this guy' wasn't fired way sooner. And the girl was really nice to me. But more so she was the best worker, She did the best job, always on time, made the most money for the company, etc. and a man who never even worked and flipped out on me & the other girls by swearing, etc. was passed up? I think you're going after the wrong people here because we all know who the real bad guys are.

From: Joe May
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Know anyone else?

Do you then know whatever happened to Mel Feinberg?

From: ex-employee of mycontractor.com
E-Mail: Private
Subject: NEWS!!!

WELL I'M BACK ON THIS SITE AGAIN WITH EVEN MORE INFO ON MYCONTRACTOR.COM. HAVE YOU SEEN THERE WEBSITE LATELY, IT'S UPGRADED PROBELLY BY MONEY THEY RIPPED OFF OF PEOPLE WHO THEY DID NOT DO THE WORK FOR. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MANAGMENT CHANGES THAT SEEM TO TRY AND MAKE THEM LOOK BETTER WITHOUT LARRY K AND MICKEY M. I CALLED AND TALKED WITH THE NEW CALL CENTER MANAGER WHO KNEW NOT A THING ABOUT THERE PAST, SO I FILLED HER IN ON ALL THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT PACESETTER. WELL WELL IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE WAS PROMOTED (I KNOW YOU STILL READ THIS SITE) ARE WE THE NEW LARRY NOW? DOES IT FEEL GOOD TO HAVE TURNED INTO ONE OF THEM? I THOUGHT WE WERE COOL AND THAT YOU HAD MY BACK, BUT I GUESS NOT. YOU KNOW YOUR BETTER THAN THIS AND YOU CAN GET A BETTER JOB WITH A COMPANY WHO IS NOT A SCAM. WELL G.K. I GOT NO BEEF WITH YOU BUT IF I WAS "THE BLACK GUY" THE ONLY ONE WHO KEEPS GETTING PASSED UP ON PROMOTIONS BY PEOPLE ( LIKE ONE GIRL I KNOW...HINT...HINT) WHO DO NOT DESERVE IT I WOULD TAKE MYCONTRACTOR.COM TO COURT FOR ALL THE MONEY I COULD GET. WATCH YOURSELF I DONT WANT TO SEE YOU GET SCREWED OR GET YOURSELF INTO TROUBLE. BEST OF LUCK G.K. BUT I STILL WISH MYCONTRACTOR.COM THE WORST OF LUCK.

From: Rob
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Try going back to school

Wow... so many people who are lazy and uneducated blame the fact they can't get a good job, etc. on the rest of the world when in reality it's their own short-comings. But if you'd just get schooled, work hard, etc. like normal people you'd have a job & a busy life then you wouldn't have to waste your life away typing useless information on forums that in the end will NEVER change a thing. This was interesting and intriguing about 2 years ago, barely.

From: B Anderson
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Discussed with Pacesetter Windows!

We have had our windows for 13 years. The only reason we have had them that long is because we cannot afford to replace them. The price we paid for them was highway robbery! But at the time, doing monthly payments (with their company) was the only way we could do it. The windows now are a joke! They DON"T seal for one thing. They LEAK water and air-all 4 seasons. We have SO much ICE build on them in the winter months(Minnesota)that we litterly have a flood in the spring. My woodwork is ruined. The pipe cleaner (so called insulation strip) is smashed so bad that they either fall out on its own or is half way in or out stuck. I would NEVER recommend these windows to anybody!!!!!!!

From: Someone
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Schuette

Sure, do. Who wants to know?

From: Pre Iskra Atlanta Profit Center Manager
E-Mail: Private
Subject:

Anyone know what happened to Joe Schuette???

From: lisa
E-Mail: Private
Subject: MyContractor.com at the Home and Garden Show

I received the "Duquense Light: Home and Garden Show" at the Pittsburgh Convention Center March 2-11. MyContractor.com is listed as one of the Exhibitors. I may attend and see if "larry" (the one associated with Pacesetters per the BBB website)is in attendance.

From: Someone
E-Mail: Private
Subject: MyContractor news

Looks like Madden isn't the only one who left. Word is the other stoogie Larry Krempasky also quit, due to not being paid. Hmmmm, sounds like a familar Iskra formula. You know when you lie down with dogs, you WILL wake up with fleas.

From: tamera kluck
E-Mail: Private
Subject: My x got remarried

I just wanted the whole world to know that gary married barb lund. Thats right Gary finally married barb. I knew it would happen. I left Gary because he is broke and I want some one rich. So Gary and Barb good luck. All the best and remember pos things happen to pos. people.

From: Mary Silva
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Cloudy and Unlocked

In 2003,I, too, was telemarketed about replacement windows. Unfortunately, after falling for the sales rep's convincing pitch, I signed up for two sliders, a large picture window, and two smaller ones, all to the tune of over $7,000. Initially, the price was about $1000 less, but a few days later, the rep returned saying she had mistakenly figured in the price for smaller windows, so the price had to be amended----a red flag that should have stopped me dead in my tracks, but it didn't. I guess I was dazzled by all that argon gas.

I live about 60 miles away, but my contract was with Pacesetter's Fresno office, and as I recall now, the installation was done in a timely manner. However, one of the sliders had some serious scratches along the inside frame. I don't remember if I noticed them, or if the installer did, but he put in the door anyway and said he would make sure a new door was ordered and someone would call me about a new date for the re-installation. I do remember that several weeks passed and I had heard from no one. It took several phone calls by me and a few more weeks before someone finally arrived and put in the new door.

Coincidentally, in the meantime, I noticed a small cloud of condensation in the lower right corner of the large window. I pointed it out to the second installer and he said to call the company, as he could do nothing, which I understood----I just wanted someone connected with the company to see it. I should have called immediately, but admittedly, I didn't. After a few days, the cloud had disappeared and even three and a half years later, it has not reappeared. I did not pursue reporting the problem, which in hindsight, was a mistake, as now the window appears cloudy overall. I have since talked to someone who worked for Fresno's Pacesetter and was a victim of the company when they went bankrupt. He told me there is likely a break in the seal. Great!

There's more. Just yesterday, I realized that one of the smaller windows would not lock. The window is also loose in the track and will not stay up when raised. I had not had occasion to open this window before now, so this is the first time I realized the problem. After examining the window, my husband and I noticed that the lower window does not fit correctly so the latch does not line up with the upper window. For the last three and a half years, I've had a window that isn't locking even though the latches are in the locked position----and I didn't know it!! It creeps me out that there is an easy access into my home and Pacesetter is not available to fix the problem. I was made to believe that Pacesetter makes a top of the line safe, clear, insallating window. But when all is said and done, all my seven thousand dollars bought is a cloudy view and an open invitation to burglars!

I can hardly wait until the remaining window and the two sliders join the party!

Of course, now when I call the Fresno number, the phone rings and rings without answer. Who's paying the bill???
When I call Pacesetter's corporate headquarters, I'm greeted with a busy signal. Must be all those "satisfied" customers like me calling with their praises.

Out of desperation, I put in a call today to another number that I found in my notes, and, luckily, the man I mentioned above kindly returned my call. Without his return call, I would not know that Pacesetter is out of business and bankrupt. He had bad news, but I can't thank him enough for answering me back; he certainly didn't have to.

So, so much for that chatty sales rep's assurances about how Pacesetter is----was??--- a solid company in business for many years and the producer of a trustworthy product. I mean, that demonstration with the heat lamp sure made its impression! Neither the Valley's summer sun nor winter freezes would pierce that argon layer. I was sold!

I must admit, I broke two of my personal rules in signing up with Pacesetter: When it comes to home improvements, deal only with local businesses and don't put all your eggs in one sales pitch. Oh, and I've added another rule: Hang up on telemarketers. Once burned, twice learned.

From: one who knows
E-Mail: Private
Subject: mycontractor.com FRAUD

Iskra, Kluk, Madden, etc are not "associated" with mycontractor.com because they are merely "consultants" of the company...why would they let their names be legally linked to this new company? They couldn't continue to rip people off because they would be caught! They have committed fraud against just about everyone, including the IRS! mycontractor.com doesn't even run its own payroll because they want to leave as little paper trail as possible -and ATTN: CURRENT EMPLOYEES, don't buy their 1099 story - it's fraud -- report it! You are EMPLOYEES under the tax law - not independent contractors! They have to pay their payroll taxes...IRS: 800-829-1040 or www.irs.gov.

From: Rick
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Mickey madden

No Mickey would not deal drugs in his next life but tell him to contact a certain somebody in the DC area and we will give him a job canvassing for us. He would make a great one. Too bad about Mickey, he was one I thought had more morals but he got caught up in drinking Iskra Kool Aid. I tried to tell him that nothing good could come from working with Iskra. I was right wasn't I Mick?

From: pittsburgh
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Big Man move-in on

Rumor has it that Mickey Madden has left the building!!!
The National Inquire states he is now working for Lowes somewhere on this planet....
Also Dave Kozak warehouse stud quit and Fred Redekar fell and pumped his head and finally realized that the grass was not greener on the other side- found out it was wilted and full of shit.... Packed his bags and in search of greater pastures.......

Hope Mickey doesn't use Pacesetter as a reference,,,, you would think he would put his building blocks away and maybe take on a better trait. Like Drugs or something.

According to the source those telie marketers in the My contractor.cum office make $12.00 an hour plus their bonuses.

More to be revealed.

From: One who knows
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Kluck

Kluck is back in the game with Gerry Anderson under the new name of Qaulity First Home Improvements.
Same old Pacesetter crap, 18% commish, prizes, canvassers etc... Even an office in Redding.
Beware everyone out there in Pacesetter land !!!

From: Sorry "I still need a chance to get a pay check" Fat chance!
E-Mail: Private
Subject: mc.com

Micky Madden quit Yes He Quit
Sounds alot like the past, when will they be gone. Run Madden Run! What a Joke of a company.

From:
A current sales rep in the greensburg Pa office.

From: X Boiler Room Rep
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Contest gimmick

American Home Craft or ahcionline.com is filled with ex Pacesetter TM managers. They use the same Pacesetter phone pitch, rebuttals, bridges etc. The same 10 step hard sell sales rep tactics. The sales rep turnover rate is as high as pacesetters. All but one installer is a subcontractor. They were the 1st company to ever be sued under the Do Not Call act. What ever you do dont enter their contest because they only do 3 of the 10 things they claim you can win. When you tell them to put you on their DNC list they will just hit you up again through the mail. When TMs get complaints from customers, TMs get high 5s from Managers just like @ Pacesetter. When you are making millions an $80.000 fine is probably no big deal!

From: bubba smith
E-Mail: Private
Subject: i worked there

i find your web site absolutley pitiful.i know pacesetter was a better company ,they had some guys in charge that shouldn,t have been but most of them went out of the way to make customers happy,i bet a dollar to doughnut you are one of those people that nothing makes you happy,and also wanting something for nothing,i see you now standing at the end of the rainbow waiting for your pot of gold,,some dumb fool you are

From: X Houston Pacesetter Employee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Pacesetter From the Inside

Man where do I start. As an X employee from Houston 2003, Pacesetter has the worst buisness practices I've ever seen. The salesmen and telemarketers are trained specifically to be sneaky, forcefull and dishonest. I've seen this from the inside.

(1) First and foremost, there is no warranty on Pacesetter products ever period. There's a piece of paper that says there is but Pacesetter will never warranty thier work, period.

As trainees we learned very quickly that "we" were the warranty reps who were actually supposed to up sell them on something else. Wow.

Everytime the customer would be so frustrated because we were the 3rd or 4th salesman to come out when really they wanted a screw replaced. My manager couldn't even get one of his faulty storm door warranty repairs for a customer so his regional manager told him to just go do it himself. Keep in mind the door was twice as much as a Sears door which they would have warrantied locally.

The turn around for managers and salesman is about a month. Each time the trainees are handed "leads" which are actually warranty calls. There's no one ever left over from the previous training class to warn them.

(2) Pacesetter Telemarketing rules the company. If a salesmen and telemarketer have a problem with each other, the salesman is always the first to get fired.

Telemarketing gets $25 everytime a salesman gets in the front door so that's all they care about. They're going to be very persistent with "A saleman's in the area" pitch when in reality we could be 1.5 hrs away. These people could be in a brand new house and saying no or just lonely and telemarketing always makes it seem like this is the one, 'cause they'll make $25 while the salesman spends the gas $ to go there.

I drove an hour to a house that had brand new siding and everything. I was sitting at the table with the lady trying to see what she needed. She told me everything is brand new and the telemarketer would not take no for an answer so she just said OK. Wow

You have to call and check in with telemarketing after every visit. I told them it was a no go. Well that's not an option on thier form. He asked me if I offered to buy back to entire cost of everything they had done to thier house so we could over charge them for Pacesetter stuff. Speechless literally. 3 hours wasted while he made $25.

(3) The salesman is supposed to do a 45 minute warm up so the customer is more easily taken. I don't have that much B.S.

(4) A veteran Pacesetter manger came in from San Antonio one day to train. He told us to include the tax in the first set of #s. If you buy today, 10% off and we'll back out the tax. There's no tax on out of state goods. That's illegal. Again upper management training us to be crooks. No one in the class used this tactic in the field.

(5) My first sales call with my manager was to a trailer home 2 hours away that should have been condemned. It was falling apart with gaps every where. It was a tear down. I didn't even want to sit down. I was gathering everything so we could leave and my manager blows into the whole 2 hour sales process. I thought I gotta see this. He had them signing a contract for $4000 worth of double pane windows on a tear down. Four days later we found out they wouldn't be approved but Pacesetter tried hard. The family would have defaulted and Pacesetter would have put a lien on the trailer.

(6) Pacesetter preys on the elderly, veterans, invalids and the poor uneducated. I'm not just being mean, I've seen it first hand. Telemarketing actually prefers those kind of people.
I've gone to the vets houses that are unpainted 2 room shacks. Vet says I told them I live on $750 a month but they wouldn't take no for an answer.
The sadest was a diabetic who had lost his legs and Pacesetter had thier products all around this guys home. Very sad.

(7) No one in the training class could get a sale to stick! Not one single one! There were a few people who had a legitimate need so we tried to sign them up but everytime the next day the person would be in our office 8:00 am sharp flanked by every family member they could round up to recind on the contract.

(8) After everything I put up with, all the $ I spent in gas and wear and tear on the car Pacesetter marks my Credit report so they can get back the draw money they gave me. Everyone one gets hurt in the wake of Pacesetters buisness practices.

(9) I wonder to this day how they got way with it. Have they been doing this for 40 years or did it just start with some bad apples in the mid 90's.

(10) How come ABC didn't do an undercover story on them?

I would like to help in any way to help people from getting scammed from any of thier spin off Companies.

Great job in getting them shut down. The world's is a better place with out them.

From: lisa
E-Mail: Private
Subject: another tidbit

I was viewing the website today just checking for any updates and seeing Mr. Iskra's name and all the discussions about how he and his minions are trying to start over with mycontractor.com...anyhow, during my research last year - when I filed the Attorney General Complaint, I located this bit of information:

http://www.dep.state.pa.us/newsletter/default.asp?NewsletterArticleID=1255&SubjectID=

It should also be said that when I first purchased my siding I was talking to my former boss - who had worked for a major financial institution for 30 years before being laid off in 2003. When I mentioned Mr. Iskra's name in conjunction with my initial complaint letters to Pacesetters, my boss replied (and I quote) - "Holy Shit - Tell me you didn't purchased something from a company run by Gary Iskra!? He was part of the Sears/Koolvent debacle that (major financial institution) provided financing for! We (the financial institution) almost lost our shirts over the whole thing."

You should also know that the AG was absolutely no help. They recommended I get an attorney which kills me because I am on disability and really can't afford an attorney. Why do these government agencies exist??!!! Here you have evidence of someone (or a group of people) consistently using deceptive practices to sell home improvements, then committing breach of contract! Then filing bankruptcy to protect themselves!!!

So I contact WTAE (local ABC affiliate) Consumer Investigator and had a return phone call recommending I contact the governor's hotline. Still have to do that. Will report afterward.

From: Also been there.....
E-Mail: Private
Subject: I second that emotion

Not only did Pacesetter make the windows and storm doors but they also manufactured the cabinet doors (refacing), in addition to that they also owned the bank (FDS). I know because I also toured the plant and the bank....It was a good company to work for when in the hands of the Schragers, and yes there were some scumbags in telemarketing but just as many in sales, admin and installation; just like there is in any other sales company, and just as many or more decent, hard working people. Only the cream rose to the top at Pacesetter and if you lasted more than a year you know you could make it anywhere, it wasn't perfect but they tried to make the customer happy (Schrager era)when Iskra took over it took a turn ....and that is when this website was created. Many of you that read and or write here are successful in your present endeavors, I know I am, and I thank Pacesetter for that....The power of positive thinking is a force so great that has enabled ordinary people to achieve..........

From: Been there - did it
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Whoops I cursed

Pacesetter made their own windows. I have been to their factory, which had Phil Schrager's and his associates offices in the same building.

Who's home during normal work hours? Retired people, unemployed, sick, disabled and Tweekers (of course their windows will be covered to keep out the sunlight).

Who's got the money? Older people, who are home during work hours and can't do their own work. Of course the prices included the installation as well.

There are products that may look the same, but are not. I have never seen a window constructed like the ones that I sold and saw being made in Omaha. We are talking built like a tank.

The prices were high for a reason. People were not made an "offer they couldn't refuse", like in the Godfather. We are talking freedom of choice here and what you call lieing is simply salesmanship. We all have to eat and pay bills. If we wanted to just scrape by, we could have taught 3rd grade and had lots of vacation time and other days off, but the successful saleman were good because they knew how to overcome objections and make a trusting friend.

Phil and Harley knew what all the objections would be, so those were overcome in advance as a 10 step presentation, which it appears you were 1-5-9ing by your description. You probably weren't any good and are bitter at Pacesetter for your failure.

We all have fun making comments on this sight because of the protection of anonimity and I too have had to resort to aliases. My problem has always been with some of but not all of the personnel. I had a good relationship with Gary Kluck and Buda, but the Sales Managers were another story and the Telemarketing Department had some that I would have liked to have met in a dark alley, but all this aside, Pacesetter did make a great product and sure they did have some products that were made by vendors, but the windows were the best I have ever seen - bar none.

You add that you are a credable observer because you own your own business. That's fine, but that doesn't make you an expert. Just because you walk into a barn - doesn't make you into a cow either. When you are pulling in $140,000,000/ year, then come back and talk about how crappy the products were at your former employer - Pacesetter.

Hey, and I didn't use 1 cuss word!

From: Sac TM Room Observer
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Can't We just get along

That photo isn't as bad as the real thing, but a close proximity. Any Resue Mission would be more representative.

From: Arnold. S
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Cant we all just get along?

capital_chaos

From: Whoops I cursed
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Wow

Excuse my profanity it just puts emphasis on what Im trying to say. As far as character goes you cant really judge it by ones internet ramblings and you cant cant be 100% sure that Im a former TM either. Some TMs were not sticking to the script, you know the one that said "special limited time promotion" they have the glass of water angle or the customer may have just been lying. This site wasnt put up to show ones character was it. As far as customers go theres nothing left to say that hasnt been said before to help them. This & the Mycuntractor post has been the only post with any character @ all, everything else has bull*^$t (is that better!!
Hello, I stumbled across this web site and new I had to respond. I too worked for Pacesetter for a short time. I worked there as a salesman in 1990 and part of 1991. When I first worked ther I thought it was a nice professional work place. The following months revealed anything but the latter. I was previously for many years in the building industry as a builder so I was able to read between the lines. As I viewed certain aspects of pacesetter's business aspects I new it was a scam from start to finish. The company lied to me and in turn believing what they said caused me to lie to customers.

The lies
The sales pitch to customers that was taught to me in a two week training.

Step one: Entry into a house.
If customer would not let you in you were supposed to ask for water,bathroom, etc..NOTE(These were supposed to be all customers who set legitamite appointments) We were told never to take no for an answer

Step two: Warm up (qualify)
We were to sit for fifteen minutes and qualify the customers. How long they owned there home, their credit etc.. The reason was because, Pacesetter, we were told owned there own bank-Federal Diversified services. I later found out this was not entirely true. We were also told that each appointment we went to was already pre-qualified and pre approved for financing. We were never told that they would attach their home because of the financing. In fact we were told to tell cestomers in the next step that our financing was soled based on personal credit and that we were different than other companies who liened homes. Of course this is not true.

Step three: The company
We were given a sales pitch in which we were told to tell customers that we as a company owned everything. We owned our own bank, we owned our own trucks, and we ourselves, manufactured our own products: Windows, siding, etc. This of course was an extreme lie. One company manufactured the windows for pacesetter and another manufactured the siding. In fact the siding was manufactured by aluminum indristries and sold to pacesetter. I was also told to tell the customers that we as a company had and trained our own installers. We used no sub contractors. We were told that paceseter required 9 monthes of in depth training and testing of our installers. the reason for all of this was that pacesetter eliminated the middle man and therefore saved the customer a tremendous amount of money. This of course was absolutly false and a terreble lie. Their prices were priced absolutly high. In fact way over the norm in the industry. In short pacesetter was a conn. They conned every body from employes to their customers.

I worked in the Portland, Oregon office. I have never viewed such sleazy conduct in my life as I had when working at pacesetter. In fact their main target of customers were the elderly. The covered this by having a company policy that said we could not sell to anyone over 75 years of age. They said we cannot take advantage of the elderly. But in fact this was a smoke screen because proably 90 percent of the customers I was sent to see were 65 years or older. I wonder now how many elderly people pacesetter screwed through the attachments on their homes. It makes me sick that I was a part of that company.

I could go on and on about other unethecal practices that I witnessed at pacesetter but I won't I feel that every one gets the point.

I now operate my own construction company. I from time to time get a customer whom pacesetter delt with by selling them a wall of siding or one to a few windows. These were called partial sales. Most I have delt with have never herd from pacesetter again and are stuck with a partial job that was never finished. Usually when I am finished pricing out the entire job the people are astonished as to the comparison prices. I almost always can finish up three walls of siding or six to ten windows and be cheaper that the one wall of siding or the two windows that pacesetter had originally sold them. I do the job and I educate the people about pacesetter. I am very glad I stumbled upon this site. Hopefully I can help educate others so they will not be taken advantage of again by pacesetter or any other telemarketing home improvement company.

From: private for a reason
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Wow!

This website has degenerated. Well, that just goes to show the character of Pacestter employees. I'm not sure I am 100% in love with the tone of apparent telemarketers. They cuss a lot and call people names. I have read all the comments and I think the Sales representatives had some undermining going on by obviously jeolous telemarketers. My suggestion is if you don't have anything constructive to say - then don't say anything. Customers don't want to hear about all the hatred between factions in the company. That just justifies the reason for having this site to begin with.

From: Sales Rep Slapper
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Pathetic Sales Fags

I dont think this site was set up for dumbass sales fags to brag about their imaginary sales figures or to berate their ex fellow co-workers, but what can you expect from assholes who dream about the glory days of raking it in whilst taking people like the fine folks who set up this site to the cleaners and laughing about it and still having to brown nose a Gary. Can you imagine a no morals having Pacesetter sales fag looking down his nose at some poor with a nose ring and thinking hes somehow better, typical Pacesetter sales fag mentality. Youre all a bunch of fags, we never looked at you as anything more!

From: Hoover
E-Mail: Private
Subject: This is pathetic.

This Visitor Feedback section has gotten extremely pathetic.

From: Snoop Texcote
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Pacesetter Snailsmen

Its not us aliens who are up here whining and moaning like bitches about how hard we supposedly worked and bragging about our sales fantasys, is it now dumb ass. Who took the gun out of your asshole and stuck it in your face and forced you to work @ Psetter. Most of you sales fags posting on here cant even spell english right. How can you write up a contract if you cant spell. And if we cant spell, who cares we're aliens right? Its obvious you fags got your GEDs @ San Quentin. You can hide the prison tatoos with your long sleeve shirts but you cant hide the dick on your breath. I wouldnt let any of of you losers in my house even if I was dying of thirst and you were giving away ice cold Gatorade in the summer. Now get back to selling vacuums you Krazy Cockeyed Kirby Kreatures. Its nice to see you evil fucks still posting on here and talking crap because it makes one thing very clear, that ya'll are still as miserable now as you were when you couldnt sell @ Pacesetter. Put that in your crackpipe and smoke it, Beeyatch!!!!
Yours truly
SNOOP TEXCOTE
p.s. dONT FORGET IT WAS YOU FAGS AND YOUr DESIRE TO BE KLUCKLIKE THAT DESTROYEDED PSETTER

From: private
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Jezabel Texcote

Do you realize how much money you were making for doing absolutely nothing? "Just let the rep come in for a drink of water - ok" "He/She will only be there for 15 minutes". It takes you a couple of minutes to get to that point @ $7.00/hour and you make $15.00 if the rep sells, so you are in effect making: $450.00/hour for your 2 minute conversation. The Rep is working from 8am at chec-in until past 8pm every weekday and putting on 1000 miles a week on their car and spending a minimum of 3.5 hours in the house giving a demo, with NO pay if they don't sell.! What was their incintive to NOT sell? And they would work sometimes till midnight and beyound. And and then when they got back to their motel room, they had to fax in all their paperwork or round up a mobile notary. Give me a break TMer! You were doing WHAT you could do and if you weren't satified with that, then you should have tried selling - but oh - that's real work! And you have to be in someones home and bondable - of which you are not required as a TMer. You don't know anything about what it's like to be on the road selling!

From: private
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Those Texcote Oids

Both of you couldn't sell a drink of water to a person dying of thirst. You have GOT to be one of those Alien TM Oids. Please get back to flopping burgers - breaks over!

From: Jezebel Texcote
E-Mail: Private
Subject: TM Crackheads

How could they afford to smoke crack @ $8 an hour, $7 a demo & $15 a sale when sales aliens were watching gay porn with their fathers and lying about their demos.

From: Gene Texcote
E-Mail: Private
Subject: To Private

Your mother is an alien creature and your father is a homo!!

From: private
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Joey Texcote

You talk like one of those "alien creatures". You obviously were not a salesperson.

From: Joey Texcote
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Home Improvement Salesmen

The sales people just dont get it. Most if not all home improvement sales people are ex and most likely current dope using felons. They can only get a job selling cars for about a month because thats how long a background check usualy takes and then they're fired. The only real difference between telemarketers and sales reps is that, telemarketers lie to you over the phone and sales reps lie to you to your face. Remember all victims of Pacesetter were victimized by salemen and not by telemarketers.

From: private
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Sacramento Telemarketers

See Gail and Mikey - How you were loved. "Alien Creatures"? Wow, and you thought so highly of yourselves! Lets here more from some of those sales people out there about the "creatures". Now's your chance to let it all hang out. I guess all those customers out there were conspiring to say the same thing, or you were lieing. Lets hear some of the things you "creatures" were telling customers to pad your stats.

From: Jim Smith
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Mickey, Iskra et al

The fact that the Sac office was a bunch of alien miscreants is just and extension of the management. The Iskra, Aloe, Maddens of the world were no better and probably WORSE. They didn't care about anyone but themsleves and that includes the customers they were supposed to be serving. TA DA! thus they are GONE! Good Riddance.

From: private
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Telemarketers

The first time I ventured into the Sacramento Telemarket office to be introduced to those creeps, I thought I was in the Star Wars Canteen with all those strange creatures and I too observed dealing and usage outside in the parking lot when they were supposedly "working" their sales counterparts for a lead. Hell, someone got blown away right in the parking lot. Probably a bad deal or territory infringement enforcement. "Sleezy" is the only term I can think about to discribe them. How about all those 15 minute visits they promised the customers and all the drinks of water for the sales staff that the customers were just going to have to give. How about all the phony directions at quiting time to say they got a lead to pad their stats. Liars, beggars and theaves, and of course their favorite drug of choice - speed freaks, not to mention the nose rings and piercings and strange hair doos and weird clothes. Any more former sales staff out there with any tales about telemarketers? Lets here it.

From: an ex'er
E-Mail: Private
Subject: TM's

Yea, the only "crack" for TM's was the one they smoked at every break outside the Sac Profit Center.

From: Andy Polder
E-Mail: Private
Subject: peel, chip, crack

Most of the TM's and Sm's I dealt with did not chip, peel or crack, but many did lie! LOL!

From: Jimmy Texcote
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Theives & Liars

All Pacesetters tm & sales peolpe are liars, "guaranteed never to peel, chip or crack" a lie, "special limited time promotion" a lie. Bragging about how great you all were while taking granny to cleaners truly sad and pathetic. Thank god for the DNC list. Be back later with more pitch lies.

From: Private
E-Mail: Private
Subject: "Mr. Hammons"

Well Steve, to start with congrats on publishing your award winning rag. When did you start referring to yourself as Mr. Hammons? Secondly, speaking of smokers as most know, 100 of 101 things to do in Humboldt Co. is smoke POT! One might think if you are so involved with all the bells and whistles of Eureka you might cool your jets and go to Burger King to satisfy your munchies. Once again, they might shit in your food!! How about a Double Caca Burger with Cheese!!! YUMMO

From: private
E-Mail: Private
Subject: angry ex telemarketer

Sorry for making fun of your job at burger king. Someones got to do it. I think Mr. Hammons the last time I talked to him is the publisher of the 101 Things To Do - Humboldt Regional Visitor Magazine. You can go to www.101things.com and verify that. Just click onto "contact" I'm sure he would be glad to correspond with you off line - but oh - your ip address will appear and you know what can happen then. You won't be so brave then. Now please do everybody a favor and be nice before someone washes your mouth out with soap. All you are doing is justifying to all the people who had the misfortune of dealing with Pacesetter that all the infighting could have contributed to their demise. If I'm not mistaken, I remember Mr. Hammons setting a record for arcs, which weren't generated by angry, resentful, ill mannered and foul mouth, smoker tm's. You know - in waterworld - the smokers were the bad guys. I wonder why that was. Could it be that smokers don't care about theirselves and their health, so how would they care about anybody else - logic has it! Have a Merry Christmas-hope you expect Santa to bring you a gift, but you have been naughty with your language and acquisitions, so cross your fingers Gail or Mikey or whoever you are.

From: Private
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Steve Hammons

To quote you Steve in your feedback #83 "I will do and say whatever I want"! What makes you above anyone else? That was always your problem. Go back to selling ads in your "Eureka Weekly Wipe" newspaper which is not worthy of wrapping a Burger King hamburger.

You need a new therapist, the one you have now sucks!! Have a Crappy X-Mas!!

From: private
E-Mail: Private
Subject: last transmission

Wow, I've never read any foul language coming from anybody but ex TMers. Do us all a favor and settle your differences other than on this site. Research and you will find a more direct link then liabling yourself the way you are doing on this site. Breaks over! Merry Christmas.

From: Redding Employee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Bitch Hammons

Steve, I recall working with you and the Ex TM is right. It really sucked having to book you leads every day. You never knew how bad YOU would fuck shit up. Pissing homeowners off, driving off sales people as well as talented phone people. I'm surprised the Redding office survived after you lifted your leg and pissed all over it. I really felt sorry for the Sales Managers that had to deal with your shit. It's a miracle they didn't kill themselves or YOU. I doubt very seriously that the talented people that were forced to deal with you have to lower themselves with a career at Burger King. You couldn't even make it there. You should have lunch there, maybe they'll shit in your food!

From: private
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Ex-Tm

I'm on Steve's side. No wonder Pacesetter took a dive with ill mannered people like that Ex-TMer. They obviously are ill bread, foul mouthed and they were suppposed to be helping salesman. Sounds to me like they were jeolous. I feel that you (ExTmer) should give us all a break and get back to the grill. Breaks over!

From: Ex TM
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Steve Hammons aka Loser

Steve, you obviously wrote the last comment. After everyone realized what a mistake it was hiring you, they all hated you too. Not to mention that psychotic bitch you lived with.

Whoopty whoo!! You went to Flight School,they sent everyone with a pulse there, and you went on a trip. Did you get your pilot's license? All you did at Pacesetter was run off potential talent, sexually harass female employees and make everyone's life Hell!!

Did you tell the psycho about Cory? Remember the good looking 25 year old blond you attempted to seduce and made a total ass of yourself? She told me about that episode that made her puke with every detail. Who would want a piece of crap like you?

Go back to selling want ads in the newspaper and give everyone a break. We're tired of your crap AGAIN!!! Maybe you should pursue a career at Burger King. You could probably turn everyone in America off hamburgers!! Put "Steve Hamburger" on the menu and the U.S. would have a major hunger strike.

Put a sock in it and let us all enjoy this site for what it is. Go home to your psycho and let her fulfill your fantasies or call Oprah! She'll laugh you off the planet!!

From: observer
E-Mail: Private
Subject: steve hammons

Question for the last comment about steve hammons obviously left by former TM. If his comments are so boring - then why do you perpetuate the hostilities by leaving comments? Obviously he doesn't care what a bunch of low life tms think or what trouble they went trhough. D
on't you get it-he hates you! and will do and say whatever he wants. By the way - how's your job doing at Burger King Loser!

From: Ex T.M.
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Steve Hammons

Steve, I truly believe you have lost what little of your mind that may have been left. I know you think that telemarketing took every chance they got to screw you but let me ask you a question. How did you set all of those "Office Records"? Was it because you ran all those crappy leads and sold the neighbors instead? I don't remember any of that!
All Gary would need to see would be the look on our faces when we knocked on his door, his comment would be "What did Steve do now!"
You and you alone created your own nightmare, not anyone else. It was total HELL working with you and obviously you haven't changed at all.
You said some time back you would stay off here so why don't you? I just read this crap for entertainment but you, as always, are not entertaining. Nobody wants to hear your story for the 1000th time, it's like a Hollywood horror so give everyone a break. B O R I N G ! ! !

From: Andy Polder
E-Mail: Private
Subject: continuation

I also learned an awful lot about sales, sales management, techniques, closing tactics, perseverance, reading people and other important skills that are helping me today. I am the Sales Director for a family owned business and I looked like a hero by simply applying some of the "good stuff" I learned while working for Pacesetter. However, I am home each evening, except when I travel, which is a part of the job, but it is "real" travel, company credit card, expense accounts, rental cars, nice hotels and the owner is a sports fan and I reap the benefit's of such. The last three years alone I have seen the Chicago Bears twice, the Denver Broncos twice, USC Vs. UCLA, a Cub game, White Sox, and lots of Angels and Dodgers.

I do not miss the schedule, but even when I was Sales Manager, I made the time to see my son play ball, and if Buda gave me any flack, I would just laugh and go any way!

I did receive a nice check from that settlement for expenses, and to this day I am surprised that Pacesetter did not file BK before they were forced to pony up all that cash. "Oh well" it really was our money, right?

From: former rep/then ASM
E-Mail: Private
Subject:

After reading the last comment, I can see that there were others that became aware of the unethical practices of Pacesetter. Some people like to sleep good at night. I too escaped before the callapse and I too got paid later and also got an unspecified figure for unpaid car mileage due to a class action suit. Shortly after that - Pacesetter disappeared off the face of the map.

I too liked Gary Kluck and Buda. We went on a houseboad ride on Shasta once. I still like them personally. The problem that I have with them is strickly business and not personal. I went through Flight School and took a trip to the Bahamas. Due to the training and experience that I got at Pacesetter, I feel it gave me a great foundation to apply those skills at wherever I may work in the sales industry. I am a publisher of a magazine right now and also have control over the sales aspect. I truely feel that I wouldn't be here right now without the training I received at Pacesetter. I learned what works for me and what not to do. The one thing that I never liked at Pacesetter was the Telemarketing dept. Most telemarketers didn't like me, because I would qualify leads. I still set office records while I was there and the manager clones that they kept sending there didn't like me either, because I would tell them what I thought. I didn't care what happened to me, because I was all ready giving them an arm and a leg, so if I got fired, it would have been a mercy killing. Well I never got fired, but walked away 2 separate times and landed on my feet both times. Can't say the same thing about Pacesetter. May they rest in peace!

From: Andy Polder
E-Mail: Private
Subject: a lucky one

I hired on with Pacesetter in Corona Ca 1994 as a sales rep. The appeal of "pre-screened" qualified leads and the income potential described in the ad in the local paper prompted me to apply. I met with Tom Budiselic, "Buda", and he did a good job of impressing me with the scope and success of the company and most importantly the opportunites awaiting me there. The office had not yet officially opened and I was in the first "class" of sales reps.

I took the job very seriously as I had a financial nut to crack and did not want to go back into restaurant mamagement. Sales was going to be my future.

I learned and applied what I learned right out of the gate. Even though I had started long after the yearly "contest" had started but sold enough in three months to earn a trip "Presidents Club Trip" to Phoenix AZ. I was actually quite happy with the decisions I had made to go to work for them.

I was offerd a promotion to Assistant SM under a man who had come down from Fresno with Buda to open the office. I was the first in in the morning, doing all the adminstrative stuff, setting the tone for the day, and long story short, eventually became sales manager, went through "Flight School", and thought I had found my calling. I was working very long hours but it was in a professional atmosphere and I seemed to be ebing appreciated.

Buda had been a "GM" and I had only heard of Gary Kluck who was the "GM" in Northern Ca. We really did not see or inter-act with them very much. A "Reorganization" took place and suddenly we were part of the Sac Profit Center. Kluck was impressive at first, driven, likeable, dedicated and seemingly fair-minded. But, it turns out, he seemed that way to me because my office was performing and I was as smart as he was. He never tried any BS on me, not until I began to see for myself the tactics and behind the scenes manipulations did I begin to realize what this little "empire" was built on.

I left in Dec. 2000, when I realized that what was going on was unsustainable. Rumors of law-suits, deficit spending, illegal bsuiness practices relating to CA employee law and other signs led me to "escape" unscathed, (I actually received a check a few months later for unpaid commisions!).

From: James Eslick
E-Mail: Private
Subject: My experiance

I had 11ea Storm Windows and a front Storm Door installed in Feb 97 and have had a fair experiance with the Pacesetter Corp. They have changed out two of my window screens, a front storm door handle and Hydrolic closure at no cost to me.(under Warrenty)

The only problem I've had was difficulty in removing the windows out of their tracks so that they can be cleaned, by not leaving enough space between my existing windows and the ones they installed.

My contract is getting close to expire and would like them to come service them while still under warrenty, but I here the have went UNDER and no longer exist.

From: michael oldenburg
E-Mail: Private
Subject: #76 Brian Haas

Hey Brian I was the manager of the Lacrosse office when you purchased the windows and that installer currently works for me at your home improvement co. email me at mwoyourco@hotmail.com if interested in getting a estimate on the rest.

From: Brian J Haas
E-Mail: Private
Subject: am I the only one?

Am I the only one who had a fairly good experiance..I had 5 windows and a patio door installed, and with the exception of the were high priced, they are great windows so far. i have hads them in for 3 years, and was trying to locate them to buy one more big bay window, when I found out they arent even in business. I would just love to find my same installer to do this next window..I myself, stood and watched him, and he did a great job..I think the windows are a pretty good product, and like anything else, they are as good as the installation. Are they high priced..when you add the financing, yes they are..but my credit is my problem, and I accept that..since I had them installed, my credit situation has improved, and my loan to Pacesetter will be paid later this week....Now, i just wish I could find my old installer

From: Unknown Comic
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Still think MyContractor and Pacesetter are not related???

Lookup on the California Contractors State Licensing Board website under license # 875772 (MyContractor License#). Search salesmen listed and look at who is listed as the very first salesman.
Gary Steven Kluck !!! UNBELIEVABLE.............

From: robert terrel
E-Mail: Private
Subject: i know the feeling

the craziest thing i have ever seen posted on this website. Pacesetter ran there sales representatives wild. In some instances telemarketers actually felt sorry for the reps and would sleep with them. I dont regret any of it at all. Just so you guys know


HERE IS HOW IT WORKS!!!!! THE CONCEPT IS A BRILLIANCE(BUT VERY SCUMMY)


Instead of factory stores, privately owned delaerships.

this how rainsoft does things, you buy a dealership and get authorized to distribute rainsoft water treatment systems. the thing is since you are the private owner of a dealership you take all the loss while the factory still makes money. My Contractor. com is the same way, they act as a supplier to these little offices that used to be pacesetter offices I.E. = quality first home improvements of sacramento, Best value home improvements in grand rapids, MI think of how many campanies that became of the pacesetter offices
if there was 64 i gaurantee there are at least 50 offices with just the superstars left.

Some game. the problems is ISKRA and especially KREMPASKY sucks so bad at managing marketing he had to put himself in a win win situation. Get your own leads but we will give you some. The same way rainsoft is. lol

the only thing is they couldnt do that with the rainsoft dealership that they owned because they dont know how to manage. GO FIGURE

Hope all are well

ROB

From: Jennifer
E-Mail: Private
Subject: South Dakota

He had moved to Omaha and obtained a job with pacesetter. He worked for pacesetter at the time when I first met him. We were engaged for a while and then broke it off....now that I have read through this site, I completely understand what stress he has went through. I admit I did not understand the stress at the time. I did not understand why he would go to a lead and be gone for hours and hours and hours. I thought...What the hell is he doing? He spent alot of time away and I began to think that was his choice. He would drive everywhere. Drive to these tiny towns and spend hours in some strangers home to sell everything and anything. After hours and hours if he was turned down he would be yelled at the next day why he didnt close the sale. What did they think??? He did it for the fun of it? He would tell me about some of the leads he would get and some of the scary and slum houses he would visit. Some home owners were not even serious about buying anything from him. They just ran him in circles. I could tell he was stressed and started to fall into depression. When I say into depression I mean "the bottle". I would help clean out his car after returning home from being gone a week. I would find sandwhich wrappers from 7-11 that was his dinner, coffee cups, flooring/siding samples, little pieces of paper with people's addresses and phone numbers for leads, camera, photos of houses, and then there it was....."the bottle of Bacardi"....There were times he would come home and when he sweat he would either sweat coffee or Bacardi. I would come into the Headquarter building with him to talk to his boss and see this room with a chalkboard/classroom..and wonder "What are they training?" It seemed odd. I did not trust his coworkers...they did not seem genuine. Dont get me wrong it was not all bad. The incentive reward trip to the Bahamas and Florida were lovely. It was like the company was telling all the wives, girlfriends, and daughters...."If you put up with Pacesetter and not nag we will send you on a trip and give ya a gift.

From: shadow
E-Mail: Private
Subject: The home improvement company

This website is a decoy the real evil lurks at mycontractor.com

From: Freddy
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Who to contact

Call this # to inform them of what mycontractor.com/pacesetter is really about..... 1800-737-2474. They are under the impression they're dealing with a reputable co.

From: gary whitney
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Carey bros

The Carey Bros on the house Radio web site list Mycontractor as one of their "partners". Maybe a few emails would enlighten them.

From: gary whitney
E-Mail: Private
Subject:

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From: DARRELL ELLIOTT
E-Mail: Private
Subject: PACESETTER CORP. FRAUD

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN

WE HAVE A HOUSE THAT WE SOLD ON CONTRACT TO A COUPLE AND PACESETTER CORP. OF OKLAHOMA CITY, OKLA
DID A CONTRACT ON THIS HOUSE. RECENTLY I HAVE LEARNED THAT
THE HOUSE HAS A LEIN ON IT FOR OVER $17,000.00 DOLLARS.

AFTER MY INVESTIGATION I FOUND OUT THAT THE TENANTS COMPLETED THIS CONTRACT FOR THE WINDOWS AND DOORS HAD FORGED MY NAME TO ALL THE PAPERS. THESE PAPES WERE ALSO SIGNED BY A NOTARY. APPARENTLY THE NOTARY DID NOT ASK TO SEE ANY IDENTIFICATION TO VARIFY IF THESE TENANTS WERE ACTUALLY ME. WE HAVE TRIED ALL OF THE PHONE NUMBERS AND LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, WE HAD NO LUCK IN FINDING PACESETTER CORP.

IF ANYONE OUT THERE HAS ANY HAS ANY INFO, WILL YOU PLEASE E-MAIL ME AT ELLIOTTION@HOTMAIL.COM

THANKS
DARRELL ELLIOTT

From: shadow
E-Mail: Private
Subject: mycontractor.com

I am amazed that these fine gentlemen are at it again,
They may think that they can cloud the truth but the truth is one thing that can not be changed, Gary Iskra, Mickey Madden, Gary Kluck and Gerry Anderson are the driving force aroung mycontractor.com and they are out there making money and taking advantage of people just like they did when they ran The "Pacesetter Corporation" into the dirt.
If you went into someone's house and stole anything from them , you would be arrested and put in jail, why are these people allowed to continue to do this to both their employee's and customers.
You know , who cares, nobody, so stop caring ,it gets you no where in this world , forget about it, move on , find a job, get a new life, you deserve it , they will, and it will happen, eventually get what they deserve.
Just ask God, not Kluck's pretend God, the real one, Patience, they will feel the wrath

From: jeff thompson
E-Mail: Private
Subject: do not get three bids

Well the quack who said to get three bids is wrong. why 3 why not 2 or 5. three bids does nothing but confuse you. which salerep do you believe. If your smart get a refferral list call cust and go see the work. So the rep gives u a great price who is going to install service and which product. three bids my ass check refferences. Oh ya so the rep is the lowest one then what do u buy from him. What about the highest guy is he overpriced or just quality. In all my years people do not want to shop they want to buy so sell em.

From: Former Employee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Fair, Honest Warning....

I can honestly say that Mycontractor.com AKA Myco is as the site says. Sadly enough they are very good at "diverting" negativity. I once believed that Myco was an honest company. I planned for my future with them...including my retirement. I would like to give a warning to all home owners...whether you are considering work or have worked with them. Call the CA CSLB, they have a toll free number. Give them the license number that you were given by your rep, and ask if they can perform the work legally. Also check www.cslb.ca.gov and see if your rep is licensed. If you signed a contract, see if your rep was licensed at the time you signed the contract. It's free and it's easy. If they are or were not licensed...report them! If you signed a contract for work that they were not licensed to perform, report them! It is as easy as a phone call to the CSLB swift team. There are plenty of people who allowed illegal reps to enter their home, if they check it out and match the dates...quite a few have finally been licensed but compare the date with your contract.Why is this important? Because if they were not licensed, you invited someone into your home, exposed them to your family...and they did NOT have a background check. Check your local court records for their criminal history it is public record. Protect your home and your family do NOT allow this to go on. If it has happened to you and you did sign a contract REPORT IT! If you got an estimate from an unlicensed rep...report it! Also did you know it is illegal in CA for contractors to offer incentives for referrals? If you have been offered this..report it..this is shady business! This isnt only for those who have associated with MYCO..it's for anyone who is thinking of working with any contractor...you may find that the rep you are thinking of inviting into your home or already invited into your home has been arrested for under the influence, felony fraud, child molestation, and violence related crimes. Check out the reps you have had or considered having in your home...then you decide if you can trust the source.And please post your results somewhere...inform the public of this danger protect your family and others. Dont allow contractors of any kind get away with this...being uninformed can be dangerous. Every year thousands of elderly and families are victimized because they did not know the laws..and it is easily available. If your contractor has broke even the smallest of laws be assured..it is probly not the only one...crime and fraud isn't picky choosy.If a friend or family member has had work done or is considering to...pass this info on! I hope this is useful information. And one more thing... ALWAYS GET 3 ESTIMATES and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!IF you feel pressured into making a decision at the time of estimate...go with your gut!Your are not EVER dealing with just an "estimator" they are ALL salesmen.

From: Former Factory Rep/Asst Sales Manager
E-Mail: Private
Subject: The Game

You got 2 leads during the day and if they were no good, you'd call in for a burn out. Lunch? What was that - a pass thru the burger barn to stuff your face fast enough just to get rid of the hunger pains. And the Heart Burn-Pepsid AC was a staple in your diet. Dinner? What was that? Have a 5:30pm appointment 70 miles away. You get there and only 1 person is there. One Leg - next - head 70 miles in the other direction and you are late. Customer is pissed due to fact and denied entry. Burn-out time. 15 Minutes to 8 pm, TM gets you a hot lead 70 miles away and upon arrival, there is no such address. Telephone number for the lead isn't given out to find their place and TM has all ready gone to the bar. Morning check-in at 8 am - so what can you do to improve your productivity - T your leads - work on your entry skills and look for buying signs out there in the cow pastures in the pitch dark. Don't eat because you will potentially miss out on 500-600 bucks commision that the TM dept gave to someone else. And the endless stream of new recruits coming and going. 1% retention rate of employees. I don't know how I did it. I guess when you were 50 yrs old, just divorced and had a lot of time on your hands is what it takes. Oh, I forgot to mention the smokers. It was like a flood rushing out of the building. All standing around puffing on their fags, dancing around all hiped up. Real professional looking? Drug dealers stopping by in their darkened windows and lots of transfering of items out the window. Those TMers were something else. All those great leads to the Hinterland and all those glasses of water that I was just going to get at a lead. All those leads in the opposit direction from my home after sleeping in some flea bag motel for 5 nights. What a game - I wish I could do that again - NOT! All you ex-saleman for Pacesetter out there know what I have described. Didn't you love it? Now we look back with fond memories from our easy chairs and remember the good times. So long old buddy. It was fun while it lasted - the late great Pacesetter Corp.

From: Former Factory Rep/Asst Sales Manager
E-Mail: Private
Subject: The Game

You got 2 leads during the day and if they were no good, you'd call in for a burn out. Lunch? What was that - a pass thru the burger barn to stuff your face fast enough just to get rid of the hunger pains. And the Heart Burn-Pepsid AC was a staple in your diet. Dinner? What was that? Have a 5:30pm appointment 70 miles away. You get there and only 1 person is there. One Leg - next - head 70 miles in the other direction and you are late. Customer is pissed due to fact and denied entry. Burn-out time. 15 Minutes to 8 pm, TM gets you a hot lead 70 miles away and upon arrival, there is no such address. Telephone number for the lead isn't given out to find their place and TM has all ready gone to the bar. Morning check-in at 8 am - so what can you do to improve your productivity - T your leads - work on your entry skills and look for buying signs out there in the cow pastures in the pitch dark. Don't eat because you will potentially miss out on 500-600 bucks commision that the TM dept gave to someone else. And the endless stream of new recruits coming and going. 1% retention rate of employees. I don't know how I did it. I guess when you were 50 yrs old, just divorced and had a lot of time on your hands is what it takes. Oh, I forgot to mention the smokers. It was like a flood rushing out of the building. All standing around puffing on their fags, dancing around all hiped up. Real professional looking? Drug dealers stopping by in their darkened windows and lots of transfering of items out the window. Those TMers were something else. All those great leads to the Hinterland and all those glasses of water that I was just going to get at a lead. All those leads in the opposit direction from my home after sleeping in some flea bag motel for 5 nights. What a game - I wish I could do that again - NOT! All you ex-saleman for Pacesetter out there know what I have described. Didn't you love it? Now we look back with fond memories from our easy chairs and remember the good times. So long old buddy. It was fun while it lasted - the late great Pacesetter Corp.

From: former Redding employee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Gary Whitney

I remember you Gary Whitney. I won't tell you who I am, because there are former telemarketers out there that like to get brave and say a bunch of stuff. We worked together at Clear Lake. Remember when Gary Kluck asked you at one of his motivational semenars at our office what he liked to do? Your reply was "I don't know - Bull Shit?" I just about died laughing. He said "yeh, but besides that". You are the one that did home appraisals on the side - right? I'll give you a clue - I used to live way up in the mountains in Trinity County. Now I'm a publisher of a regional visitor magazine based in Eureka. Again, I won't say what magazine, because there are still telemarketers that like to say a bunch of stuff. Good luck and good to hear that you are still kickin'. You had some kind of sleep problems back then and I didn't think you would be around still.

From: rob terrel
E-Mail: Private
Subject: FUNNY BUSINESS

I ACTUALLY WENT ONTO MYCONTRACTOR.COM AND SAID THAT I HAD A HOUSE IN SACRAMENTO THAT NEEDED WINDOWS AND WHEN THE TELEMARKETER CALLED IT WAS SO HILARIOUS I SAID COULD I TALK TO LARRY KREMPASKY AND SHE SAID HE IS NOT IN RIGHT NOW. IT IS JUST FUNNY. I AM A REGIONAL MARKETING MANAGER FOR RAINSOFT OF CHICAGO WHICH GARY ISKRA OWNED A RAINSOFT DEALERSHIP IN PIT CALLED ADVANCED WATER SOLUTIONS AND KREMAPASKY WAS HIS BITCH. I HAVE NO HOUSE IN SACRAMENTO THEY HAVE SET 5 APPOINTMENTS WITH ME FOR MY HOUSE IN SACRAMENTO. I WONDER HOW MANY MORE THEY WILL SET. IF ANY OF THE GOOD OLD CREW IS LOOKING FOR EMPLOYMENT LET ME KNOW I NEED AN ASSISTANT TWO OF THEM ACTUALLY. EMAIL ME AT TERREL_ROBERT@YAHOO.COM. HOPE ALL ARE WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I AM. THE GOOD LIFE!!!!!!!!!

From: gary whitney
E-Mail: Private
Subject: nancy meila

My advice to u about u still owing pacesetter is to call ur attorney gen if u signed and nortized ur contract in blank on the second half or right side of the contract, (I worked for them in last half of 97) if they were still usi
ng that type of contract.
Gary kluck, remember me u lying sob, I took u to labor relations board to get some of the money u owed me and got unemployment when u said it couldn't be done. Hope they put u in jail along with ur butt boy Peter whats his name
feel free to leave my email add for anyone see I worked out of the Redding Ca office

From: Eli
E-Mail: Private
Subject: amzaing tactics according to an ex-employee

I worked for Pacesetter about 20 yrs agao. I quit after six months. I could not take it. It was all a series of unethical tactics leading to signing a contract for stuff that is not worth third the price.
1. The telemarketer never told the prospective buyer about the length of the pitch. It was usually 3 hrs.
- The Telemarketers claimed that it was just a visit to show the window or other products
- The sales pitch consisted of ten consecutive steps. The first one was called "the warm up". This is when the Rep walk tries to break the ice. It could be five to twenty minutes or more. This was an important step to create trust.
- The rest of the steps followed. Pricing was done before closing. Closing always included a lot of lies
- Prospective buyers could bargain and the Rep had up to 30% to discount. The Rep commission varied from 3 to 30% depending on the amount discounted. Most Reps fudged the numbers.
- The quality was overstated. The warranty was exagerated. the products were extremely overpriced
- The sales manager at the office and in the area got some commission on every sales made by every Rep. the telemarketer who made the winning call and his/her manager got some commission too.
You can imagine how much commission was paid at the end
There were a lot of lies about everything from Materials to Manufacturing to installation..you name it. It was a big lie
I do not want to remember those times. It was awful. I quit after six months. It was not worth it
wAHT WAS ALWAYS SURPRISING IS HOW PEOPLE GOT CHEATED SO EASILY AND HOW THEY WERE WILLING TO PAY 3000 DOLLARS FOR A GARAGE DOOR WHEN HOME DEPOT SELLS THEM FOR 400 DOLLARS OR HOW THEY WERE WILLING TO PAY 800 DOLLARS FOR A WINDOW WHEN HOME DPEOT SELLS IT FOR 150 DOLLARS.
BE CAREFUL OUT THERE.

From: JT
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Previous Message

Thank you to whoever left the previous message. We appreciate the information you gave, but it has been common knowledge for at least a year and a half now. Thanks.

From: @@@@@@@
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Happy halloween

The shragers didn't close up shop, it was the new ownership and their great business model that tank the operation.

From: andrew
E-Mail: Private
Subject: what happened to pacesetter?

25 years ago the phone sales industry was very different. As a communicator, we used every tactic at our disposal to intrigue a potential customer to let our closer into the door. September, 1982 I was the top communicator for Pacesetter nationwide and was the subject of "victor" nominations due to my immediate rise to the top of the sales categories upon my hiring. Pacesetter was a family at that time. At convention, I had a very open and hilarious conversation with Phil (whom I had never met previously) and enjoyed the spirit of the intent of his vision.
I graduated college with a degree in architecture and am currently employed as a historical restoration associate with a firm that works within the Daley administration. I will never forget those who I worked with and their desire to provide a quality product, yet pursue big sale numbers. Guys like Bill Fisherkeller who taught me how to follow a pitch and adjust based upon the customers response (my very best teacher and friend) and those who shared how every aspect of our association is responsible to each other because we will eventually be judged based upon the completion of our project.
Pacesetter helped define me as a construction manager and I would still work for Harley or Phil if the asked.....
Andrew Lopata

From: Jim
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Gary Steven Kluck

http://www2.cslb.ca.gov/CSLB_LIBRARY/HIS+Detail.asp?HISLicNum=00076166&HISLmfPre=BA

From: ***
E-Mail: Private
Subject: here read this

License Detail CALIFORNIA CONTRACTORS STATE LICENSE BOARD
Contractor License # 875772
D I S C L A I M E R
A license status check provides information taken from the CSLB license data base. Before relying on this information, you should be aware of the following limitations:
CSLB complaint disclosure is restricted by law (B&P 7124.6). If this entity is subject to public complaint disclosure, a link for complaint disclosure will appear below. Click on the link or button to obtain complaint and/or legal action information.
Per B&P 7071.17, only construction related civil judgments reported to the CSLB are disclosed.
Arbitrations are not listed unless the contractor fails to comply with the terms of the arbitration.
Due to workload, there may be relevant information that has not yet been entered onto the Board's license data base.


Extract Date: 10/19/2006

* * * Business Information * * *
QUALITY FIRST HOME IMPROVEMENT INC
dba MYCONTRACTOR.COM OF CA
660 COMMERCE DRIVE SUITE E
ROSEVILLE, CA 95678
Business Phone Number: (916) 788-2921

Entity: Corporation
Issue Date: 04/07/2006 Expire Date: 04/30/2008
* * * License Status * * *
This license is current and active. All information below should be reviewed.
* * * Classifications * * *
Class Description
B GENERAL BUILDING CONTRACTOR

* * * Bonding Information * * *
CONTRACTOR'S BOND: This license filed Contractor's Bond number 273302 in the amount of $10,000 with the bonding company
AMERICAN CONTRACTORS INDEMNITY COMPANY.
Effective Date: 02/01/2006



BOND OF QUALIFYING INDIVIDUAL(1): The Responsible Managing Officer (RMO) JACK LEE MADDOX certified that he/she owns 10 percent or more of the voting stock/equity of the corporation. A bond of qualifying individual is not required.
Effective Date: 05/15/2006

BQI's Bonding History
* * * Workers Compensation Information * * *
This license has workers compensation insurance with the
STATE COMPENSATION INSURANCE FUND
Policy Number: 1841999 Effective Date: 02/23/2006 Expire Date: 02/01/2007


Personnel listed on this license (current or disassociated) are listed on other licenses.

From: hello
E-Mail: Private
Subject: mycontractor.com

http://www2.cslb.ca.gov/CSLB_LIBRARY/License+Detail.asp?LicNum=875772

From: Mr Sacramento
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Gary Kluck's phone number

If you would like to call Gary. He is working with Goldenwest Windows in Rancho Cordova. Down the street from Pacesetters. You can reach him at 916.204.1234

From: former rep
E-Mail: Private
Subject: JOb

For all you complainewrs out there who never were 'paid'......heres a chance to get even:
SALES -FANTASTIC- COMMISSIONS Sales -- Fantastic OUTSIDE SALES POSITION! Dynamic and empowering internet Home Improvement Co seeks exceptional project consultants for Sacramento region. We offer the homeowners the best National Named Brand products for their needs. This is not just any sales job. Be one of the highest paid sales people in the home improvement industry. Apply Today. VERY, VERY High Commissions. www.Mycontractor.com Fax 916-285-9060; email Twatkins@mycontractor.com or call 916-784-0333.

From: Attorney James E. MacDonald
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Pacesetter, Sam's Club and HSS

I am an attorney looking to sue Sam's Club and HSS for profiting on Pacesetter's work. Please call me if you have heard of any suits that have been filed like this one.

James E. MacDonald
Attorney at Law
(330) 459-3802

From: Former Rep
E-Mail: Private
Subject: AKA

Check mycontractor.com website.Check out the License number with the State Lic Board's Website,You'll see its tied to Quality First home Improvements,in Roseville,Which is run by Gerry Anderson, selling crappy quality windows,Etc....and guess who owns 10% of it??...........LOL!!

From: Former Rep
E-Mail: Private
Subject: A.K.A......

Mycontractor.com ....A.K.A Quality First Home Improvements in Roseville...just check the contractor.com Lic number,Its tied to Quality First,Run by Gerry Anderson,selling low quality windows,Etc....and who knows what other things happening...........LOL!!

From: Robert Miller
E-Mail: Private
Subject: high cost

I like to know if,I can i get a refund on the Warrinty that is no longer there,we payed to much for no one to warrinty these windows~!

Bob&Jen~!

From: Gary K
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Whatever happened to?

Does anyone have any infor as to whatever happened to Mel Fineberg? He was a good guy that got caught up in Iskras mess from way back. I hope he came out unscathed.

From: **************************
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Does anyone need to contact Gary Kluck or any of our sweethearts?

I think they may pay you just go to Gary's new place of employment - I wonder if I posted their new place of employment (and its post MyContractor.com). I'd love to post it and see a bunch of people waiting in the lobby at Golden West Home Improvements.

"Hey Gary how you doin' ? Ah, think I can get that money from a few years ago?

Don't bug the poor guy - he did his best, and it was a mess.

From: *********************
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Just Wondering if your getting the notices in the mail.......

Just in case anyone is interested MyContractor.com is Pacesetter - My friends work for them, write leads for them, sell for them and have even gotten screwed recently for them. All the usual supsects are present.
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Anyone getting the bk notices in the mail that say PACESETTER - The 2 Gary's a Micky and some Aloe-vera
have yet to attend so new dates are being set????
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I hope that after all this time has passed many of the folks who got the big SCREW have landed on their feet.

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I wish someone would have interviewed me for some of those articles floating around on the internet; hell, I was in most of the meetings up to the end and know a bunch of forbidden taboo topics regarding the sweetharts we know as the 2 gary's, a micky and some Aloe-vera. Seems like the only communications I had was with federal officals...I hope I didn't get anyone in trouble - I didn't intend to..
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1,2,3 dumb-in-ate

From: Judy Schakel
E-Mail: Private
Subject: window part that clicks into frame to hold window up, storm window

I, and a professional window repair business, have been trying to locate the part mentioned above. The business I took my window to managed to contact them, but never got a response to be able to order the part. I tried going on line, but don't know the web address that will actually give me replacement parts. Can you provide me with this? The reapairman I am dealing with is who informed me of poor customer service and of the remarks of it he found on line. Please reply. Thank you. Judy Schakel

From: Joe D.
E-Mail: Private
Subject: The smoking gun connection if there ever was one.

An excellent read.
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/09/17/1900163.htm

From: retired military 26 years
E-Mail: Private
Subject: bad character

I'm the one that told the story about 911 and am answering the posting by the former Sales manager from California. All I can say is Gary never was in the military. The only thing he has been in is love with himself. Mr. "positive mental attitude" and his big Mercedes and bimbo wife who left 4 kids and a husband for him and his beautiful home in a cookie cutter planned community has only experienced what money can buy. Season Tickets to the Sac Kings and buying all the rounds at the bar is what he thinks is success. That's why I would only drink club soda. I didn't want to get all liquored up and buy in to his bull shit. I think the best, I am the best, without chanting it with a bunch of money drunk employees intoxicated with the lust for money. It was a strange crowd. Not my kind of people - most of them - womanisers, drunks, speed freaks and rehab retreads - that about sums it up. And then the 911 disrespect! That was enough for me. A bunch of draft dodgers that happened to get a little money enjoying what temporary pleasure it can bring. That about sums up Pacestter.

From: Sucks sites
E-Mail: Private
Subject: More sucks sites

It looks like the crooks at mycontractor.com already registered mycontractorsucks.com but I found a couple of other sucks site up and running:
www.mycontractorsucks.info
www.trustamerifirstsucks.com

From: sales manager from calif
E-Mail: Private
Subject: bad character

It was Sept 11th and the planes had just hit the twin towers. I got a call from Gary Kluck and he said not to worry he has been through this kind of thing before. I thought to my self What! He said make sure your reps hit the leads and call in for burn out. I said you have been through this before? I thought to my self what a non caring person. We get attacked by terrorist and all Gary could say was he had been through this before. What a crock. Like when Gary? You know sales people always tring to sell you on some idea.

From: Dan Dobinsky
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Liens

If you have any way to contact these folks, I'm all ears. I'm trying to release a lien, that they should never have filed, against a property to facilitate a refinance, back in '99. We just found out about it.

Thanks!

From: Former Pacesetter Assistant Sales Manager
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Custis ( Bud ) Rosser

This is a familiar story stated several times since this site came online. Try this one out: The day after 911, Pacesetter was upset that sales were down so much over the whole corporation. The trainer at the semenar said " what's the matter with these sales people - they still have to pay their bills and put their kids thru college"! Logic has it, if Pacestter can't feel for the thousands who lost their lives while just sitting at their desk, how would they feel bad about overselling to potential customers? I was stunned and my whole attitude turned after that. Fact is, Pacesetter was a revenue based corporation and if they weren't selling windows, it would be any product that they could get trusting people to purchase. They felt that home improvement sales were a virtual gold mine. After all, it was all about trust - wasn't it! Remember in your sales training the purpose of Warm-up? You were told that if they liked you, they would buy from you. Remember? My experience with Pacesetter was good and bad. Good for the money and bad for staying away from my family so much in Motel Town. But, once I became aware of Pacestetter's greed, I made a decision to get out and I mean fast. It took one phone call to Gerry Anderson while sitting in my car to make up my mind one cold winter night and that was it. I check this site every once in a while for entertainment. I have encountered the same jerks making comments that I absolutely hated. Most of them were retreads from rehab and park bench winos, dope addicts, speed freaks and womanisers. Not my crowd, and if they didn't like me - well I don't care anyway. I have become successful in another field and am quite happy. Thanks for your input!

From: Karla Bergeron
E-Mail: Private
Subject: windows

I purchased windows back in September of 2004, winter came along and I had rain pooring throw one, but since have had another window crack all the way down one side. I can not find my paperwork, nor am I finding the company. I will look further, but any information is greatly appreciated.

From: Survivior
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Just around the corner

Their new company mycontractor.com is literally just right around the corner from were I live, it is a satelite office. It looks sad though, a whole bunch of lettering on the windows and one poor desk sitting in the middle of the room. Sad thing is how much business do you think will come out of that office. Supposively it's just used for the door to door salesman to gather before they go out ripping people office. I hope from word of mouth by the time they actually try to sale something they will have homeowners slamming their doors in their face.

From: M. A. Paolucci
E-Mail: Private
Subject: YAY! Pacesetter Bankrupt!

I literally cheered out loud today when I read in the Omaha World Herald that Pacesetter was bankrupt. This is the best news I have ever heard. They ripped me off too although I made out a lot better than most people.

I hope you NEVER take this site down. I always wanted to do something like this but didn't have the power you do as a programmer. I hope you will contiue to update us as my biggest fear is that this company will reorganize and form a new company under a new name. People like this should be hung!

Thank you for keeping the public informed!

From: dparker
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Pacesetter

Working as a contractor in Omaha during the nineties, I knew several people who had problems with Pacesetter. They routinely convinced their customers, particularly the elderly, of the necessity for their products. One elderly couple only needed a minor siding repair on their well maintained home. Pacesetter convinced them to sign a purchase agreement for all new siding and windows at a preposterous price. They were "railroaded" into thinking they were in serious need when in fact, fifty bucks would have covered their repair bill. I have no respect for companies who prey on the elderly in the way Pacesetter did on a regular basis.

From: Ed & Cathy McCarty
E-Mail: Private
Subject: PaceSetter Windows

We had windows put in by PaceSetter around 1998. We have had nothing but trouble with the windows. They said they had never made replacement windows as large as ours. We had them come back out to the house the first winter, because of wind coming from around the windows. They said that they were not installed right and tried to fix them. We were having problems with mold and now the windows are falling apart. You would think that as much money as we spent that they would be willing to replace them. When we contacted them a few years ago they said that there wasn't anything they could do to fix the windows. They were only a few years old. Now it looks like we will be replacing the windows.

From: Custis ( Bud ) Rosser
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Pacetter's Sales Technique

I survived about 9 months as a salesman for Pacesetter in Norcross Georgia in the early 1980's. It was the ultimate sales machine, with a pretty heavy schedule, and a brutal technique for the sales pitch. It was supposed to last 4 hours, was strictly a "one-call close", and our sales manager wanted you to leave the home in only one of two possible ways: With a contract, or be thrown out of the home. Either one got you praise.

I remember four distinct "divisions" of the office - the Management, the Installation folks, the sales force, and the boiler room of telemarketers. The sales force was strongly discouraged from contact with any of the other three divisions.

The closing technique was commonly referred to as a "conditional close", in which the salesman, after his presentation of the product (all we had at the time were storm windows, replacement windows, and doors), would ask "Other than price, is there any reason you would not want these (windows, doors, etc)on your home?" If the customer said yes - we found out what the objection was and repitched that to overcome the objection. If the customer said "no", I'd go measure and count windows, figure a price, write it up and do a "silent close", by putting the contract in front of them and saying NOTHING, on the sales theory that whoever speaks first loses.

The price objection was always countered by first showing the savings of energy loss from old, bad windows, and how the new product was going to pay for itself there. If this yielded no sale, I was then on my last leg, and risking being "tossed out", I would remind them of the conditional close statement, and then ask "You told me that other than price, you wanted these windows, and I have showed you how can pay for them with energy savings dollars...were you not being honest with me when you said that?" Sometimes this "shame close" worked, other times I was asked to leave.

It was the most basic, brutal, and ruthless sales I have ever been involved in. I have since made a very successful career in sales, always reminding myself of what Pacesetter taught me NOT to do.

From: E.M. & Lou Rogers
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Expensive Picture Windows, Storm Door, Storm Windows

I'm so glad I found your website. I have been trying to contact Pacsetter (we have a lifetime guarantee, supposedly) on the products we purchased from them.

We have been surfing the web trying to locate them after their website and phone numbers have been discontinued. This hurts! We have a problem with our "custom made" storm door and now have nowhere to turn for a remedy.

So, where do we turn? I guess we are "up the creek without a paddle" according to what I have been reading on this site.

Did they just disappear? Anyone to contact? Thanks for sharing these stories so at least we know we are not alone...small satisfaction I must say.

From: ron penman
E-Mail: Private
Subject: To Gary Kluck

Basically I do not really think that the reply to me is really from Gary. But if it is then all I can say, is, Gary where is my final pay check? Are you worried? I know that you do not care about any of us, former employees, customers, suppliers. But those of us who do care, would like to make sure that you do not cheat anyone else.

From: ron penman
E-Mail: Private
Subject: To Gary Kluck

Basically I do not really think that the reply to me is really from Gary. But if it is then all I can say, is, Gary where is my final pay check?

From: rob terrel
E-Mail: Private
Subject: JUST SAYING HI

JUST WANTED TO HOP ON AND SEE IF ANYONE IS STILL HANGING OUT ON HERE, I HAVE A PRETTY COOL UPDATE FOR YOU GUYS. I AM ACTUALLY A REGIONAL MARKETING MANAGER FOR RAINSOFT CORPORATION AND RECENTLY FOUND OUT FROM UPPER MANAGEMENT THAT ISKRA HAS A HUGE LAWSUIT PENDING AGAINST HIM FROM RAINSOFT I GUESS HE BOUGHT A DEALERSHIP FROM RAINSOFT YEARS AGO AND RAN IT IN THE GROUND LIKE HE DID PACESETTER. DID NOT PAY ANY EMPLOYESS, TOOK CUSTOMERS MONEY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. I THINK THIS IS THE DEAL THAT WAS ON THIS SITE A YEAR AGO ABOUT ADVANCED WATER SOLUTIONS. ANYWAY I THOUGH IT WAS INTERESTING. I HOPE THAT EVERYONE IS DOING GOOD. BY THE WAY ROBERT DOUTHIT IS RUNNING WEST COAST VINYL IN TACOMA THOUGH THAT WAS FUNNY TOO. I SENT THE WHORE BACK TO OREGON WHERE SHE BELONGS, YOU ALL KNOW WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT. INITIALS ARE JH FROM THE SAC CALL CENTER, AWESOME PERSON BUT HER DRINKING RUINED US! HEY WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO!!


I HOPE EVERYONE HAS MOVED ON WITH THERE LIFE
YOU CAN EMAIL ME AT TERREL_ROBERT@YAHOO.COM

DROP ME A LINE

From: ex-employee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Door to Door

I almost shit my pants the other day, my doorbell rang and I went to open it only to find a salesman with a flyer from
MYCONTRACTOR.COM I almost fell over. Get the fuck off my lawn I yelled. You must be out of your mind. It was actually someone I knew from pacesetter and he said he purposely took my side of the street because he knew I would raise my voice. I approached the young gentlemen walking up the other side of the road, telling him do you know who you work for, don't worry your paychecks will bounce too. I was livid. I told them I was going to post flyers on all the telephone poles in Greentree making homeowners aware that MYCONTRACTOR.COM is nothing but con-artist and they will take your hard earned money if given the chance. Dear Mickey you sent your guys to the wrong boro. BIG BIG HUGE MISTAKE.

From: Mike D McCutchan
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Subject: Parts?

Im sorry, but is pacesetter dead? What can I do for some replcemant parts like the window sash?

From: ex employee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Just Another DUMB ASS

It amazes me how vulnerable some people actually are. Desperate for a job, One ex-manager works for Pacesetter bounces around from office to office and then, well you the story Pacesetter closed their doors. Farewell to all the dedicated employees who made the 3 stooges rich and famous. Unfortunately some of us just didn't get enough, He not only went back to work but under Mycontractor.com he received yet another dose of the of the 3 stooges explaining to him this time will be different "we will treat you better. Yet the ex-manager found himself in
turmoil the second time around, leaving the new and improved
company. To find new employment, but is woes just began, this job caused the ex-manager to be out of town every week and found it difficult to spend anytime at home with his child. So once again he attempts yet another round with fabulous threesome "Whats the saying--Third time is a charm
He is back again with Mycontractor.com running the greensburg office/ Maybe you should receive the Manager of the Motnth Award for most consecutive times to hold a position with one company. Whatever the stakes were that you had to pay. Your considered a fuckup in my book. Cause what goes around comes around.

From: gary s kluck
E-Mail: Private
Subject: responce to ron

Dear Ron. I t saddens me to think you feel that way after everything I did for you. But lets alk reality I gave you a job you were my employee. So with all that said kiss my ass. There I think that sums it up. Any other questions or comments my answeer will be the same. Love Gary

From: Ron Penman
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Update on my statements in book 4 #19

Below you can read what I originally wrote, I heard a story that Gary Cluck read my letter and commented to his brother about me. He said how the company was so good to me and that I did not have the right to say the things that I said. Well Gary I worked for you and I did a good job and I was a lot more loyal to the company than you were to me. Now if you want to pay me the 4 thousand dollars that you owe me and the millions of dollars that you and the others owe to the hundreds and thousands of customers and ex-employees, I will gladly print a retraction in this forum, of the things that I said, and ask the Judge not to sentence you to life in prison. I guess your wife knows you well enough to know when to quit.

From: Ron Penman
E-Mail: Private
Subject: I am a former employee too.

I worked as an installer, for the Pacesetter Corp over 12 years, in the Fresno Ca. office. I must say that for most of those 12 years I was not totally unhappy. There was a lot of pressure with the GOALS system and I feel that I could have made more money with out it. I did believe that the products were too expensive, but I tried to give each customer the best installation that I could. I know that there were companies whose products were both inferior and more expensive than the Pacesetter Products. I of course also worked long hours and traveled a lot, staying in motels many many nights each year.

It has only been since the company was sold to the Iskra group that the situation became unbearable. After reading the responces on this website, I realize that there are a lot of unhappy customers and former employees. My experience are simular to most of the others. The work load lessened and then the checks came later and later and finally not at all. The company owes me nearly 4000 dollars. After working for three weeks without pay I stopped installing. When I applied for unemployment, I was told that I was not intitled because the Pacesetter Corp. told the unemployment office that I quit my job. I just shake my head talking to the government people that do not seem to understand that if I am not getting paid for my work, I do not believe that I should keep working.

Here is the good part of the story. Since working for Pacesetter, working hard and giving my all for the company. I found that ex pacesetter employees are in demand at other window companies. After leaving Pacesetter I was contacted by three different window companies, looking for installers. Long time ex. Pacesetter installers, are well equiped, have good trucks, start early and work long hours, and are used to traveling. I now work for a quality company who sells a better product for a lot less money. There are no goals, and I get paid ontime including expenses.

I feel that the new owners of the Pacesetter Corp should spend a lot of time in prison for the way they have lied, cheated and stolen from thousands of customers and employees.

You can leave my name on this message and post my e-mail address also. I would like to hear about the new name of the company and would like to do everything that I can to see that the new company does not get a chance to cheat anyone else. Like I said I would like to see Iskra, Kluck, Madden, and Aloe in prison. That is where they deserve to be.

I did not have the right to say the things that I said. Well Gary I worked for you and I did a good job and I was a lot more loyal to the company than you were to me. Now if you want to pay me the 4 thousand dollars that you owe me and the millions of dollars that you and the others owe to the hundreds and thousands of customers and ex-employees, I will gladly print a retraction in this forum, of the things that I said, and ask the Judge not to sentence you to life in prison. I guess your wife knows you well enough to know when to quit.

From: Mary
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Need Pacesetter parts to repair broken locks & handles on doors

8/20/06
I purchased Pacesetter storm doors and windows about 25 or 30 years ago. I am a single 67-year-old lady, been in this house 35 years, and am preparing to sell the house and move away. But the Pacesetter front door inside handle broke off. And the back storm sliding door and screen door has a broken handle and lock. Home Depot has nothing even comparable to repair these handles and locks. Does anyone out there have any spare parts to repair Pacesetter doors?

Please contact me if you know of anywhere I can get parts to repair.
Thanks,
Mary, Austin, TX dancenow@sbcglobal.net

From: Jas
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Photo 3a

Just wanted to mention after reviewing your photos that you can see the windows were not properly shimmed to be installed square. The corners to not fit/meet properly unless the 45 degree cuts are off.
Happy to see that someone had the courage to stand up to all this mess.

From: nancy miela
E-Mail: Private
Subject: pacesetter really ripped me off, still paying

2002 purchased four windows then added a door for my mobile home in Kingsley Michigan. I have been paying on the loan still and another two years going for that purchase. Warrantied my windows for 25 years and Door for 10 years. Now need repairs and found out from the michigan better business bureau, they are gone???? I am now paying on windows that I specifically bought for the warranty to find out there is none...
I want to know what to do about this.
Being I am stil paying $4000.00 of the $6000.00 loan for it.. If anyone can help me to know what to do. Please let me know.
Nancy Miela
231-631-0936
God Bless all those they have done to you what they have done to me...

From: Lisa
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Pacesetter's Bankruptcy Filing

I would love to know how they started mycontractor.com. I filed a claim against them in Bankruptcy court (at the recommendation of the Attorney General's Consumer Protection Office) and was added to their list of "creditors". I have now been invited to the "Meeting of the Creditors". You may post this on your site. It is scheduled for 9/6/06 at 1pm and the location is in Pittsburgh, PA at Liberty Center, 7th Floor, Room 725, 1001 Liberty Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15222. I saw the bankruptcy documents and these guys filed chapter 7 (corporations usually file chapter 11)- the only reason they would do this (from my experience) is to protect their personal assets. Please share my email address with others as I would like to know if there is anyone else attending this meeting. Thanks. Lisa

Admin's Response: The e-mail address: lmolitoris@comcast.net

From: Homosapien
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Hey GRANT!

SHUTUP!!!!!!!!!

From: Grant peterson
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Subject: My experience with Pacesetter

I am a home-improvement salesman who once was trained by the Pacesetter Corporation in Des Moines, Iowa. This has been over 20 years ago. At that time they had an excellent training program. In fact, many of today's most successful salesmen in this industry have, at one time or another, been trained by Pacesetter.

After training, I was sent out on the road to rural farming communities in Iowa to run appointments set by Pacesetter's telemarketing division. The products I was selling were incredibly high quality, but their retail cost was unrealistic. Salesmen were expected to ask such a ridulous initial price for the products that most homeowners could not afford to buy them. Salesmen were authorized to take a series of discounts off the retail prices, but, every time the price dropped, so did the salesman's commissions. To sale the products at a reasonable price meant that the salesmen made such a small amount on the sale that it was not worth the gas and time to drive to the appointments.

Needless to say, my stint with Pacesetter was cut short.

Over the years I have worked for a variety of home improvement companies and, I must admit, most of them operate exactly the same as Pacesetter. The problems usually occur when the company puts an inexperienced salesman in the field without proper guidance and training. Miscommunication usually is the basis for most problems with homeowners (that and outright deceit in order to get the sale).

Unfortuntately, it's not always the homeowner who gets the shaft by unscrupulous home improvement companies; often the salesmen and/or the laborers get the shaft, too. I cannot even begin to add up the amount of commissions I have walked away from when leaving one company to work somewhere else. I would estimate the amount to be over $50K.

Sears is one of the biggest culprits for mark-ups. All you pay for is the name. You can buy the same products from another company for at least 30% less than if you purchased it from Sears. Other large companies, and probably small ones as well, trick homeowners into signing a contract by telling them that "this is only the finance paperwork to see if we can get you a loan", when, in fact it is a legal and binding contract for the work to be done to the home.
It's not until much later that some homeowners realize they have been duped and must follow-through on having work done to their home.

On behalf of all hardworking salesmen and the legimate companies they represent, I apologize for the nightmare you both went through. I'm happy to see that you turned this experience into something positive.

Grant Peterson

From: Gary Zeune
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Pictures

Hi. We teach 100+ fraud classes every year, mostly for CPA associations. I'd like to put together a case study on Pacesetter. Do you have a picture of any of the Pacesetter characters?

Gary Zeune, CPA
www.TheProsAndTheCons.com

Admin's Response: I don't, but hopefully someone else here does.

From: Former employee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Better go to the Bahamas

Some REAL advice to Gary Iskra and Mickey "tough guy" Madden and Mark Aloe. Get the Hell out of town cause the crap coming down on you guys is not going to be pretty. It will get very ugly and you have no recourse. Take it from someone who knows. You guys have enough money to bail out of the country. Do it!!!!

From: blah
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Subject: stuff...

What is the lawsuit in reference to? A little more info would be very helpful.

For some good bathroom reading try this one on for size...

http://www.replacementcontractoronline.com/industry-news.asp?sectionID=318&articleID=335211&artnum=1

From: webmaster
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Pacesetter Lawsuit

deeblyfairy2003@yahoo.com and her husband received their suit papers on July 26th, and invites anyone who wants to join them to fax a notarized statement to 209-723-9411, saying that they have to respond to the summons in 30 days.

From: William K Wilson
E-Mail: Private
Subject: My expierence

Also, my e-mail does not need to be kept private. I fear not pacesetter because I have severe documentation proving my allegations. If there is someone who needs to discuss these statements I have told in my experience with pacesetter you can contact me. I can enlighten you more on their practices.
billwilson_2@juno.com
My wish is to help others

Sincerly, William Wilson

From: William K Wilson
E-Mail: Private
Subject: My expierence

Hello, I stumbled across this web site and new I had to respond. I too worked for Pacesetter for a short time. I worked there as a salesman in 1990 and part of 1991. When I first worked ther I thought it was a nice professional work place. The following months revealed anything but the latter. I was previously for many years in the building industry as a builder so I was able to read between the lines. As I viewed certain aspects of pacesetter's business aspects I new it was a scam from start to finish. The company lied to me and in turn believing what they said caused me to lie to customers.

The lies
The sales pitch to customers that was taught to me in a two week training.

Step one: Entry into a house.
If customer would not let you in you were supposed to ask for water,bathroom, etc..NOTE(These were supposed to be all customers who set legitamite appointments) We were told never to take no for an answer

Step two: Warm up (qualify)
We were to sit for fifteen minutes and qualify the customers. How long they owned there home, their credit etc.. The reason was because, Pacesetter, we were told owned there own bank-Federal Diversified services. I later found out this was not entirely true. We were also told that each appointment we went to was already pre-qualified and pre approved for financing. We were never told that they would attach their home because of the financing. In fact we were told to tell cestomers in the next step that our financing was soled based on personal credit and that we were different than other companies who liened homes. Of course this is not true.

Step three: The company
We were given a sales pitch in which we were told to tell customers that we as a company owned everything. We owned our own bank, we owned our own trucks, and we ourselves, manufactured our own products: Windows, siding, etc. This of course was an extreme lie. One company manufactured the windows for pacesetter and another manufactured the siding. In fact the siding was manufactured by aluminum indristries and sold to pacesetter. I was also told to tell the customers that we as a company had and trained our own installers. We used no sub contractors. We were told that paceseter required 9 monthes of in depth training and testing of our installers. the reason for all of this was that pacesetter eliminated the middle man and therefore saved the customer a tremendous amount of money. This of course was absolutly false and a terreble lie. Their prices were priced absolutly high. In fact way over the norm in the industry. In short pacesetter was a conn. They conned every body from employes to their customers.

I worked in the Portland, Oregon office. I have never viewed such sleazy conduct in my life as I had when working at pacesetter. In fact their main target of customers were the elderly. The covered this by having a company policy that said we could not sell to anyone over 75 years of age. They said we cannot take advantage of the elderly. But in fact this was a smoke screen because proably 90 percent of the customers I was sent to see were 65 years or older. I wonder now how many elderly people pacesetter screwed through the attachments on their homes. It makes me sick that I was a part of that company.

I could go on and on about other unethecal practices that I witnessed at pacesetter but I won't I feel that every one gets the point.

I now operate my own construction company. I from time to time get a customer whom pacesetter delt with by selling them a wall of siding or one to a few windows. These were called partial sales. Most I have delt with have never herd from pacesetter again and are stuck with a partial job that was never finished. Usually when I am finished pricing out the entire job the people are astonished as to the comparison prices. I almost always can finish up three walls of siding or six to ten windows and be cheaper that the one wall of siding or the two windows that pacesetter had originally sold them. I do the job and I educate the people about pacesetter. I am very glad I stumbled upon this site. Hopefully I can help educate others so they will not be taken advantage of again by pacesetter or any other telemarketing home improvement company.

Thank you,
William Wilson
Portland, Oregon

From: Iskra has no Midas touch.......
E-Mail: Private
Subject: What comes around......

Again the stories......checks misplaced,sent elswhere,we changed banks, we moved our headquarters....and thats why we didn't get you check......Gary, Gary, Mickey and Mark, how can you live with the lies?, can you sleep at night?
Payback is a ........Think about a different career....humm lets see; used car sales? kirby? pots and pans?, or maybe if our legal system worked, selling cigarettes in the pen.
Too bad for the other people they have scamed into working with them and the other customers promised Quality products and a money back guarantee.

From: Obvious
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Duh....

Well there is a surprise...it's a wonder that there is no legislation in place to stop people like this.

From: In the know....
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Oh no! not again.......

It's happening again, and don't say we didn't tell you so....Mycontractor.com is not paying their employee's again!! They don't care about your bills, family or anything else, jump ship now or you'll be in the same boat as us, that lost our cars, homes, etc....Get another job, they are sinking.

From: someone u know
E-Mail: Private
Subject: u got it half wrong!!!

well u r right about the company, they r a bunch of crooks. but the guy u are talking about glenda is a real good guy, he does have a shady past but dont we all? and the "ex-employee's wife" who was talking 2 you hates the company just as much as i do but pins 2much blame on "the team leader". i would like to talk 2 you and your boyfiend again. if there is somthing i can do i will do it and i'm working on it? so tell jackson 5 not to get cought rideing dirty. later.....

From: web page viewer
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Hoover

That was completely rude what you were saying about Glenda. If you are an ex-Pacesetter employee, you are probably an ass hole anyway. What's to be expected of an ass hole. The lady was trying the best that she could. I never met hardly anybody who worked at Pacesetter that I liked. People like you who criticise one who is at least trying to speak the English Language and not needing bi-ligual interpretation really sucks. You are probably going to check my spelling too. I don't know Glenda, but if she was significant to me, I would look you up and teach you some manners. Good thing for you that I am just fantacising, wouldn't you agree? Society doesn't need your type, I'm sure. It's people like you that cause hate and misunderstanding. Grow up, get a job, if you can and leave peole who are trying alone. Period!

From: Hoover
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Glenda

Hooked on phonics obviously didn't work for Glenda! Dump your boyfriend and go back to school!

From: glenda kuhns
E-Mail: Private
Subject: i tota;;y agree with you people this company is FAKE, GATBAGE

well i just have some complains my boyfriend works there an their is some shady thisngs goin on there. I found this web site from an ex employee's wife. And i told my boyfriend abbout a month ago theirs something going on at this place they have a worker their that has already done fraud on the computer an i dont under stand how he got hires ther . The man is niow a team leader he sets extra hours i could go on. but they are screwin with my boyfriend tellin him hes gonna make all this money get benifiets an never does i want something done..

From: ScottyTa2
E-Mail: Private
Subject: ISKRA'S NEW CELL NUMBER!!

Yup,I got it, here it is, he just changed it a few weeks ago!! I got it off the email in the office at MyCo in Concord when I was there!! Lol. Yup, BITCHES, its ME!! Ta2oodSCOTTY!! FUCK YOU!!! lol.....

Gary Iskra: 724-953-5377 cell.

Late!! :)

From: Ken Innes
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Welcome to the seventh book!

Yep, it's that time! The sixth book of unfiltered visitor feedback just about filled up, so here is the next book to keep things flowing smoothly.